he had ordered to go to germany as an enlisted man. he insisted on going to vietnam where he faced serious combat. i just think he brings to it first vietnam veteran to be secretary of defense and the only enlisted man ever to be secretary of defense. i think those are credentials that are needed. >> woodruff: any thoughts on this. >> i think some people say the trial balloons are a sign of presidential weak finance they don't go up. they're not really. they're actually a smart way for the president to engage in this i think the opposition to hagel is growing. i think it is rooted in disagreements not just about israel but about defence cuts. but about his ease on iran which are significantly to the left of president. and because he doesn't have a lot of respect of former colleagues here which are chrorming out, and many of them in opposition. i think it's an unlikely nomination. >> woodruff: we return you both to the gun control discussion. we heard from the head of the nra, mark, today, wayne la pierre who is advocating putting an ar